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Have you ever seen a piece of research that is CLEARLY going to win an IgNobel? [Sep. 20th, 2009|08:51 pm]
Xiphias Gladius
http://prefrontal.org/files/posters/Bennett-Salmon-2009.jpg

That's a jpg, which, obviously, those of you who are blind won't be able to see. So let me extract a couple of the important quotes:

METHODS
Subject. One mature Atlantic Salmon (Salmo salar) participated in the fMRI study.
The salmon was approximately 18 inches long, weighed 3.8 lbs, and was not alive at
the time of scanning.
Task. The task administered to the salmon involved completing an open-ended
mentalizing task. The salmon was shown a series of photographs depicting human
individuals in social situations with a specified emotional valence. The salmon was
asked to determine what emotion the individual in the photo must have been
experiencing.
Design. Stimuli were presented in a block design with each photo presented for 10
seconds followed by 12 seconds of rest. A total of 15 photos were displayed. Total
scan time was 5.5 minutes.


Okay? Putting a dead salmon into a MRI and asking it about the emotional contexts of various photographs ought to put one into consideration for an Ig.

However, in order to actually get an Ig, the research has to actually demonstrate something useful, not just be weird. Why were they doing this and publishing the results?

Because they found data that made it look like the dead salmon WAS doing things.
With the extreme dimensionality of functional neuroimaging data comes
extreme risk for false positives. Across the 130,000 voxels in a typical fMRI
volume the probability of a false positive is almost certain. Correction for
multiple comparisons should be completed with these datasets, but is often
ignored by investigators. To illustrate the magnitude of the problem we
carried out a real experiment that demonstrates the danger of not correcting
for chance properly.


So. THAT'S what makes it Ig-worthy. They MRI-scanned a dead salmon, on purpose, to demonstrate the baseline random-chance error, and show how it can make things LOOK like statistically-significant things are happening, even when you're, y'know, scanning a dead salmon. That's useful.

In other words, I think this is a shoo-in. First, it makes you laugh -- but then, it makes you think.
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From: jehanna
2009-09-21 01:01 am (UTC)
They MRI-scanned a dead salmon, on purpose, to demonstrate the baseline random-chance error, and show how it can make things LOOK like statistically-significant things are happening, even when you're, y'know, scanning a dead salmon.

These guys are geniuses. They've proved the existence of FISH ZOMBIES.
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[User Picture]From: querldox
2009-09-21 01:05 am (UTC)
So you're saying that fish are brain food and brains are fish food?
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[User Picture]From: wildcard9
2009-09-21 03:09 am (UTC)
It takes a 12th level intellect to make that connection. Obvious now that it has been pointed out.
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[User Picture]From: rymrytr
2009-09-21 06:24 am (UTC)
Good one! Wish I has said it :o)
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[User Picture]From: xiphias
2009-09-21 11:13 am (UTC)
I don't know -- but I'm absolutely certain that it will be.
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[User Picture]From: xiphias
2009-09-21 03:07 pm (UTC)
Followup: navrins pointed out that anyone may nominate, and posted a link to the page with the email and snailmail addresses. I therefore just nominated them. So I know it's been nominated, 'cause I just did.

Feel free to ALSO nominate, if you want to. I bet multiple nominations will make it more likely that they will pay attention.
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From: browngirl
2009-09-30 01:21 am (UTC)
Tomorrow, I definetely will too.
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[User Picture]From: submarine_bells
2009-09-21 07:10 am (UTC)
I think I love these researchers and I want to have their babies. This is awesome. :-)
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[User Picture]From: rymrytr
2009-09-22 01:17 am (UTC)
I'd be careful! You might just could have a child with a fish's brain... or a fish with a child's brain even.

or - or - or a fish-like child who eats child-like fish...

(wait, child-like fish? Would that be a minnow Called Alevin or a child called Alvin? Scares the Hobbs & Calvin outa me either way!)

Hey! I'm suddenly hungry for some BBQ'd Chipmunk. Half of a half-a-dozen would do...



`Scuse me, I think need some galvanizing! Gotta go make a call to Germany.

"Hello? Sigmund? Still gotchyer couch, dude?"
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[User Picture]From: pir_anha
2009-09-21 10:11 am (UTC)
i was so delighted when heard about this that i made an icon. :)

they _should_ be nominated.
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[User Picture]From: xiphias
2009-09-21 03:05 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I didn't know that; I just emailed them. I'm certain I'm not the first to do so, but That's Okay.
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[User Picture]From: burgundy
2009-10-02 08:10 pm (UTC)
Too late for the 2009 awards, but maybe they've got a shot at next year's.
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[User Picture]From: xiphias
2009-10-03 03:11 am (UTC)
Actually, those were the 2008 awards, awarded in 2009. Awards for things in 2009 are awarded in 2010.
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[User Picture]From: burgundy
2009-10-03 03:14 am (UTC)
I think of "the 2009 awards" as "the awards given in 2009." It usually takes me a while to understand the exact timesheet/payroll timeline at a new job, too.
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