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By the way, I DO divide the world into "good guys" and "bad guys". [Aug. 19th, 2010|05:52 pm]
Xiphias Gladius
Just so you know: if you're against the building of an Islamic community center in Downtown Manhattan, you're one of the bad guys.

If you are saying, "well, sure, they have the LEGAL right to do it, but by putting it there, they're just being provocative," then you may not be particularly evil yourself, but you're intimidated by the evil people into being one of their henchmen. People doing completely normal things like building community centers aren't being provocative. The people who you are afraid they will provoke? Those are the bad guys. And if you are saying that they should modify their behaviors to do what the bad guys want, then you are saying that you support the bad guys.

And that means that you're one of the bad guys.

And THAT means that I find you a danger to me, personally. I'm Jewish. Right now, Jews are mostly considered more or less white. But that could change. And the second it does, people will start saying things like, "Well, sure, they COULD build a synagogue there, but wouldn't that just be asking for trouble?"

Everything that people are saying about the downtown Manhattan community center, I just automatically hear people saying that about something that I might want to do someday. If you're against them, then you're against me, and you're also against justice, freedom, and every ideal that this country stands for.

Just so we're clear on that.

[User Picture]From: voltbang
2010-08-20 03:33 am (UTC)
There are other mosques nearby. This is not a mosque, it is a community center, that contains a mosque. And here's the key, they are not adding a mosque, they are replacing an existing facility. There is already a facility there that functions as a mosque. They are not adding a mosque, they are adding a swimming pool.

Why is there fear and risk? Because certain public figures turned this into an issue. It's a non-issue, but politicaly minded people turned it into one. Go to ground zero, and walk to the location of this project. You will see more halal food carts that you will know what to do with. Islam is strongly represented there, like so many other cultures. It's new york. Will they back down? They are New Yorkers, ok, they are muslim new yorkers but they are new yorkers. Back down because they are afraid of offending someone?

If you move a community center out of the community, can you still call it a community center?
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[User Picture]From: horizonchaser
2010-08-20 05:10 am (UTC)
If you put a Later Day Saints Temple into a community center, is it still a community center? ;) (if you're not aware, you must be a baptized LDS member to enter one of the Temples).
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[User Picture]From: voltbang
2010-08-20 05:17 am (UTC)
Depends on the effect that the LDS temple has on the community center surrounding it. Yes, I am aware of their policies. Their huge temple here in DC was built with the promise that it would be open to the public, and it was. For a day. Then they closed it, and tore out all the carpets. They have a visitor center that unbelievers can go into.

In the case at hand, neither the community center nor the mosque requires that you be a muslim to enter. If they pull a switcheroo and change that policy, I will happily say "you told me so" to the people who object, and agree with them, but until then...
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